.. Dr Bob Smith, AA co-founder http://drbobshome.com http://youtu.be/_TX9BTmcjhw Dr. BOB and the Good Oldtimers Chapter 6. Two alcoholics meet In "A.A. Comes of Age," written 20 years later, after Bill had analyzed the event in the light of subsequent experience, he said that he "went very slowly on the fireworks of religious experience." First, he talked about his own case until Bob "got a good identification with me." Then, as Dr. William D. Silkworth had urged, Bill hammered home the physical aspects of the disease, "the verdict of inevitable annihilation." This, Bill felt, brought about in Dr. Bob an ego deflation that "triggered him into a new life." Describing their talk as a "a completely mutual thing," Bill said, "I had quit preaching. I knew that I needed this alcoholic as much as he needed me. This was it. And this mutual give-and-take is at the very heart of all of A.A.'s Twelfth Step work today." .. ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DwQP2hLHJQ

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