Live at The Bridge at The Santa Fe Brewing Company on 10/27/23
Michael Garfield - Guitar, Voice, Electronics
Sloan Fussell - Keys
Tommy Baumann - Drums
Filmed by Valen Productions
Edited by Monty Montgomery
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This week’s guest is Sophia Rokhlin, whom I met in Portugal at Boom Festival 2016, and who just finished her Master’s of Ecological Economics in Barcelona last fall. Sophia’s currently at work on a number of cool projects, including The Environmental Justice Atlas – a database of environmental conflicts happening around the world. She’s also helping Daniel Pinchbeck write a book on ayahuasca and has worked at Kosmicare, a European psychedelic harm reduction project.
http://ejatlas.org
http://twitter.com/sophiarokhlin
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This week’s guest is media theorist, culture critic, author, graphic novelist, documentarian, and podcaster Douglas Rushkoff! Chances are you’re a “digital native” banking on “social currency” and consuming “viral media” – which means that you are living in the world Doug prophesied for all of us back in the 1990s.
I watched his debut documentary on social marketing, Merchants of Cool , in my college Introduction to Film class (which is how you know my teacher was, in fact, cool). His book Present Shock: When Everything Happens Nowwas one of the core inspirations for this podcast and its examinations of time in the digital age remain some of my most frequently-recommended writing.
More recently his book Throwing Rocks at the Google Bus launched a vital conversation about how to make sure that the “superabundance” of digital society actually MAKES IT TO THE PEOPLE. And his podcast Team Human offers new insightful conversations every week about how we can sculpt a future for the 100%-ers – a world that welcomes everybody, that lets everyone in, that finds something meaningful for all of us to do and be.
Doug’s written shelves on our new media environment and how the digital surround retrieves our magical antiquity. He’s issued potent cautions to us, that we must Program Or Be Programmed. He’s spent his entire life helping us find the bottom-up to complement the top-down that we’re stuck with…to help everyone be literate enough to make it in this modern world.
And in this episode, he looks back on his life’s work, and forward to the great responsibility we bear to help imagine systems, cultures, and relationships for a more humane and equitable future…
Doug’s podcast:
http://teamhuman.fm
Doug’s website:
http://www.rushkoff.com/
This week we’re also joined by guest co-host Michael Phillip of Third Eye Drops, our sister podcast, which I’m on A LOT – episodes 102 , 88 , 58 , 44 with Doug Rushkoff , 38 with Niles Heckman , 28 with Bruce Damer , 21 with Erik Davis , 9 with Shane Mauss , 4 with Erik Davis , and this special mashup episode – and who has appeared on Future Fossils to talk about Westworld in Episode 14 and the Blockchain in Episode 52 .
We Discuss:
• the ethical necessity of finding planet-scale solutions that work for ALL of us, not just a certain economic class;
• the externalized ecological costs of Bitcoin;
• how sigils and other ancient magical practices have been modernized for info warfare in the modern age;
• how the culture of our global information economy retrieves the gods of antiquity;
• the conflict of interests between our present and future selves;
• the problem with futurists as propagandists and how we use “the future” as a
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What’s the line between being inspired and getting broken by transcendental experience? This week’s episode was recorded live at the Hook & Ladder at Minneapolis as part of a special multimedia event I did with the Psychedelic Society of Minneapolis, a group led by neuroscientist Jessica Nielson. Jessica and her PhD student Link Swanson were both dear friends of mine before they met each other and I cannot be happier that they’re doing psychedelic neuroscience research together now at UMN. In this conversation, which involves me definitely talking too much (but in the role of honored out-of-town guest, which makes it somewhat excusable), we talk about the effects of psychedelics on perception, the continua between inspiration and trauma, and what it might mean to make a machine learning algorithm trip balls. Among other things…
Dr. Jessica Nielson
https://med.umn.edu/bio/psychiatry/jessica-nielson
Link Swanson
https://swanson.link/
The Psychedelic Society of Minneapolis
https://www.meetup.com/Psychedelic-Society-of-Minneapolis/
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Discussed:
The hallucination-perception continuum
Trauma and novelty in biological and cultural evolution
The Stoned Ape Hypothesis Revived
Chapel Perilous & studying mental illness with machine learning
Do psychosis and the psychedelic state really have much in common?
Making AI trip
How do psychedelics affect the way our brain processes perception?
Pharmacogenomics and whether it might help explain The Experiment at La Chorrera
Novelty and the collapse of civilizations
Evolution, learning, and addiction
Mentioned:
Saj Razvi (Our free and public Patreon discussion ) • MAPS • Santa Fe Institute (FF Episode 75 ) • Andreas Wagner • Terence McKenna • Stuart Kauffman (FF Episode 125 ) • Stuff To Blow Your Mind Podcast on Urban Animals • Werner Herzog • Dinotasia • Richard Doyle • Erowid • Robert Anton Wilson • Dennis McKenna (FF Episode 88 ) • Geoffrey West • Rudolf Steiner
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This week we’re blessed to chat with living legend, ethnobotanist Dennis McKenna – one of the most rigorous scientific intellects working with psychedelics in the modern era, responsible with his late brother Terence for popularizing the techniques for cultivation of psilocybin (“magic”) mushrooms, co-author of numerous books on psychoactive plant and fungal medicines and their curious effects on consciousness, and an outspoken advocate for cognitive liberty psychedelic research.
(Dennis has appeared, subliminally, on nearly every episode of Future Fossils – one of his talks was sampled by my original co-host Evan "Skytree" Snyder for his track “God Detector ” – in which I also appear as a guest guitarist – which I still use as the intro and outro music.)
In this conversation we push into a DIFFERENT kind of conversation about psychedelic science – not the science of psychedelics as a tool for therapy, but science using psychedelics the way we use telescopes or MRI machines – to let us see in ways we ordinarily cannot, and maybe answer some of the most pressing and persistent questions about human consciousness and the nature of reality.
I hope this episode will magnetize the worldwide community of people interested in the possibility of psychedelic science…if you have a story you would like to share in confidence, feel free to email me at futurefossils@protonmail.com where we can talk encrypted! I’ve been thinking about this stuff for my entire adult life – we discuss some of that in this episode – and would love to have more conversations with people who have been thinking similarly…
Dennis McKenna’s Links:
https://espd50.com
https://twitter.com/dennismckenna4
https://facebook.com/dennisjonmckenna
We Discuss:
How can the psychedelic experience in all of its weirdness inform deeper, more rigorous experiments and scientific paradigms?
Meet (and then disrupt) the source of all your problems: the default mode network.
“The ego…thinks it’s controlling everything, which of course it’s not, but it helps the delusion to think that it is.”
Disabling the filters to find aspects of reality you’ve never noticed.
The necessity of GROUP psychedelic research from within the altered subjectivity of non ordinary consciousness.
The ontology of entities, as studied by the scientific method.
What kind of QUESTIONS and what kind of FACTS come out of a psychedelic science for which “real and unreal” is insufficiently nuanced?
Crossing the boundary between the easy problem of consciousness and the hard problem of consciousness.
Book: On Becoming Aware by
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We’re switching it up this week to present my recent talk on psychedelic futurism at the first weekly meeting of the Australian Psychedelic Society (Fitzroy Beer Garden, Melbourne, Victoria).
The Chinese have a curse: “May you live in interesting times.” The Irish have a toast: “May you be alive at the end of the world” I’m more Irish than Chinese, and I know this because even though we’re living through total chaos these days, that means unprecedented opportunity for wonder, creativity, discovery, and growth.
- How to enjoy life in an age of mass extinction and the imminent transformation of the human species through genetic engineering
- CRISPR and evolution “in real time,” within the lifespan of “individual” organisms
- The self as a multitude of distinct neural “motifs” and how each of us is a village (or a bouquet)
- Living through “a trans-technological, trans-nature” renaissance
- The sharing economy, nonmonogamy, global citizenship, access vs. ownership as symptoms of a global transition to more freely exchanged modular selfhood
- How each of us is basically the sexually mature larval form of our ancestors and how staying “childlike” has empowered us with special powers as a species
- The future of work as a world in which there are as many different kinds of work as there are people
- The spiritual and philosophical implications of “teledildonics”
- What replaces “privacy” in an age of universal coveillance and mutual accountability
- Why we shouldn’t judge the world and lives of our software based digital human descendants
- Tim Leary’s “Just Say Know” as a better approach to technologies (since all technologies are psychoactive, and so tech and drugs should merit similar approaches)
Memorable Quotes:
“To the extent that we recognize that who we believe ourselves to be is a story our brain is creating instinctively and automatically, we can be more conscious about that, and we can inhabit different self-concepts as it suits us.”
“What we’re learning about the origins of life is that it wasn’t like suddenly the cell occurred, with a membrane already on it, and credit card debt, and alimony payments. This happened in stages. And the first stage, what we believe the first life form to be…was a soup of self-reproducing molecules that didn’t really have clear self-other division. And even now, bacteria are very promiscuous and free about the exchange of their own genetic information with one another.”
“When everyone has a 3D printer at home, you’re not going to go to a dealer. You’re going to print your own drugs.”
“Each of us is the still point at the intersection of colliding infinities.”
“It’s not so much that we’re coming to ‘T
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This week we chat with Daniel Zen, former Google engineer, technology instructor at zen.digital, NYC Regional Coordinator for Burning Man, coordinator for the Angular.js NYC Meetup, and general high-tech wizard.
https://zen.digital/
https://twitter.com/danielzen
https://medium.com/@danielzen
https://github.com/danielzen
Some of the topics we discuss:
• The curses – and blessings! – of runaway technological surveillance (and sousveillance, and coveillance…).
• How adolescence and sexuality have changed for children growing up with the Internet.
• The future of festival culture and how it is a testbed for disaster relief technologies.
• The danger of putting your medical devices online (the hackability of the Internet of Things)
• What happens when we RECORD EVERYTHING
• The isolating effects of Virtual Reality and how to create interactive spaces that allow us to share in the experience.
• The collapse of VR, AR, and MR into just: “reality”
• How TV, digital photography, and streaming video has changed the way we think about sharing our lives, perceptions, and emotions.
• Adapting to an age of accelerating change by staying curious and loving learning
• Concerns about technology’s role in widening the gap between the poor and the ultra rich.
• The internet as a kind of “planetary cathedral” and re-envisioning our lives in light of a project that extends beyond the horizons of our individual lives.
Daniel Quotes:
“The festival world has changed, where now everybody has a cell phone and the ability to take pictures. And very much I believe, and the community I’m in believes, in consent when it comes to photography. Especially when people are in maybe a greater state of undress. Now we’re in a world where surveillance is much more prevalent…”
“I’m a believe in bringing off-line technology to Burning Man. I don’t like the concept of being online at Burning Man, but I do like the concept of technology at Burning Man. I’d love to see an INTRANET at Burning Man…without any connection to the outside world. And such a system, if it were implemented well, could be of use in disaster situations.”
“Unfortunately, we are a society that enjoys convenience – and we are all too ready to give up our privacy for that convenience.”
“I’m not one of these guys that’s like, ‘Hey, the Singularity’s happening, Oh My God!’ I’m like, ‘Yeah, OF COURSE it’s happening, duh, I mean can’t you see that?’ It’s so blatantly obvious to me I don’t feel the need to argue it. It’s just part of my reality. I accept it as much as the air I breathe.”
“The haves and the have-nots is a really scary situation.
Michael Quotes:
“If the sea leve
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This week it's a deep dive into futurist Stowe Boyd's research on Social Scaling, Boundless Curiosity, Deep Generalists, Emergent Leadership, and other major features in the metamorphic landscape of the 21st Century workplace.
We live in an age when our human cognitive limits are being tested against a proliferation of possibilities in the digital space – and we zealously rush into always-on internet work, open office co-working spaces, enormous distributed online collaborations, and other novelties that seem to be more about the infinite capacity of our electronic tools than the finite reality of our minds and bodies.
Stowe Boyd has been studying and reporting on the future of work for over a decade, and his blog Work Futures is one of my cherished news sources for understanding how “we shape our tools and then our tools shape us.” Talking with him is a blast of cool reason and warm humor about the insanity of the modern work environment and the impossible demands that it makes on us – pointing toward more lucid, grounded, manageable, and yes productive new modes of labor in the dizzying technological milieus to come.
Learn More:
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WorkFutures.org
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We Discuss:
Invented the term “social tools” and founded the Work Futures blog.
How do we live in an unstable landscape in which new platforms are constantly replacing the ones where we’ve established merit and earned currencies?
The return of publishing to human scale as a response to ubiquitous weaponized advertising.
Book: Douglas Rushkoff, Present Shock
The modern era of social networking isn’t about social concerns but business concerns…human curation returns to the fore in its primacy: newsletters, list management, etc.
Why is it that certain tools and practices “work” for work, and some don’t?
How certain ill-conceived collaboration software recreates the scaling problems of cruiseship tourism’s effects on local economies.
Anywhere-ism and “The horrible sameness of the places we’re working these days”
The paradox of blocking out open-office distractions with recordings of people talking in cafés.
“If you want to be creative, turn the lights down. You are more creative if you have high ceilings and dark. So if you take all that away, which is usually what they do in open offices…”
Ten Work Skills for the Post-Normal
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