In this special double episode, we're joined by musician-wizards Anthony Thogmartin (Earth Cry, Papadosio ) and David Krantz (Futexture , former Moog Synthesizers employee, and director of psychoacoustics at Apeiron Center ) in which we all kind of end up interviewing each other and have a conversation about the ordering and disordering of time, completely out of order (introductions halfway through the episode, et cetera). We talk about: - creative process workflow time loops and the difference of looping over minutes or years - artificially intelligent digital simulacra of ourselves, exploring alternate biographies - analog modular synthesis as collaborating with a living creature - random number generators and the ghost in the machine - collective consciousness - tripping with cats and electronics - sensitive instruments detecting invisible realities and scalar waves - synchronizing people with trees, brains with other brains, and other entrainment weirdness - data garden’s midi sprout and using plant vibrations to control robotic servos and welcome vegetable intelligence into human political discourse - the anechoic chamber and psychoacoustic biofeedback programming the human body - video chat telepresence barbershop quartets Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/future-fossils/id1152767505?mt=2 Subscribe on Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/michael-garfield/future-fossils Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2eCYA4ISHLUWbEFOXJ8C5v Subscribe on iHeart Radio: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-FUTURE-FOSSILS-28991847/ Join our Facebook Discussion Group for daily news and conversations: http://facebook.com/groups/futurefossils Support the show (and an avalanche of other mind-expanding media): http://patreon.com/michaelgarfield ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqPOVqmiaBU

Listen to the full episode here https://www.patreon.com/posts/29594669 This week’s guest is Norman Katz, aka Dr. Blue – a lifelong practitioner of hypnotherapy and the impresario of 3SidedWhole, nine acres of magical weirdness in the desert outside Albuquerque, New Mexico. I’ve known Dr. Blue for nearly a decade and he’s deeply enriched my life over the years with his amazing stories, empowering mind hacks, and community of soulful southwestern weirdos. In this episode, he regales us with stories of psychological research into UFOs, past lives, fractals, and flow states; the history of hypnosis, his study under hypnotherapy pioneer Milton Erickson, the psychophysiology of laughter yoga, and – more broadly – the importance, and the surprising ease, of choosing the trance you want to be in… Dr. Blue’s Website: http://www.normankatzphd.com/curricula-vitae.html 3SidedWhole Website: http://www.3sidedwhole.com/ “We were doing LSD as the patient and the therapist simultaneously…it was quite interesting.” “There still is no study that verifies that hypnosis is a particular brain state or neurological constellation. Hypnosis is not a brain state. It turns out to be a skill and an aptitude that’s based on combining attention, and fantasy, and a predilection for dissociation.” “Our perception of reality is at least half constructed by what we expect, what we imagine, and what we pretend. In fact, it’s really hard to teach people new things, because most of the time they’re trying to match new things to their old models.” “It was the only lecture I’ve ever seen where 300 psychotherapists stood up afterward an gave him a standing ovation. And his theory was, bascially, individual psychotherapy is not only ineffective, it’s wrong, and it disconnects people from their community. He said, the biggest mistake in Western Civilization was when Descartes said, ‘Cognito ergo sum,’ ‘I think, therefore I am.’ And what he should have said was, ‘Convivo ergo sum.’ ‘I celebrate in community, therefore I am.’” “At any point in time, ask yourself this question: ‘If I had been hypnotized to be doing what I’m doing right now and having this experience, what would I have been told?’” “Erickson used to tell his students, ‘Pretend, and pretend you’re not pretending.’” “In the West, most people breathe too much.” “I had a formal psychology training at Harvard. Most of that turned out to be nonsense. Learn to unlearn. Learn to forget. Learn to be innocent. Let yourself continue to reinvent yourself and discover who you are, because you are more than any of us think you are.” Support this show on Patreon to join the book club and ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j490IBkYno